Curse

Akshara · Jun 14, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Now if you farm a single place and kill the same monsters over and over in a short period of time, then the patch will nerf your drops to nothing.

Or try to do more than one quest at the same time in the same region, where you naturally encounter the same monsters over and over again in a short period of time. I often go on "quest runs" and then head back afterwards and turn them all in at the same time. This approach doesn't work well anymore, because the drops will stop well before completing the quests.

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So PvE is better after the patch. Only farmers are crying about it.

There are many "non-farmers" who have posted as well, across multiple threads and forums, who report encountering the problem through "normal" gameplay.

BaleFire · Jun 14, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

i think if you get bad drops and maybe not xp when you kill stuff that is real hard,
will kill this game if it continues in this direction.
who wants to play a game like that? not me..

natas · Jun 14, 2005, 11:52 PM // 23:52

well i spent the last few days in uw killing smites whenever america had favor spent good 30 hours running with 3-6 people there ended up with 12 ecto and 1 nowhere near max eternal bow and no storm bows or eternal shields figured was just having bad luck so i went to some hill giants only to do 3 solo runs with not a single rune figured more bad luck went to try some lighting drakes and got owned severly by there overpowered attacks same with the flesh golems, i have an axe that does 6-28 +15% above 50% health + 15% dmg to giants +20% dmg customized just for the giants i also have an axe 6-28 +20% dmg while hexed and +20% chance for axemastery +20% dmg customized just for the flesh both of which i spent a grip of gold on and there useless now, i used to have hundereds of plats now a struggle to get enough to get identification kits, i have invested over a countless amount of hours and have 3 lvl 20 and 1 lvl 5 character(which nobody will party with because its a low lvl because i dont want to do the non primary missions a 4th time so i end up having to party with henchs for every mission)and nowhere to take them and noway to buy them armor and new weapons or runes nothing to do because everything is nerfed, and even if i did find something good i would have nowhere to put it because of the lack of storage, i recommend putting a disclaimer on the game something to the affect of only 20hours of actual gameplay included if its ment to be a mission based game and when you get to the end its over then just count up the time it takes to complete a every mission and use that just not right to advertise a game as something that it isnt

they just want you to buy this game not actually play it

Mumblyfish · Jun 14, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by natas

Gibberish!

Punctuation, spelling and grammar are all essential parts of the writing experience. That said, from what little I could understand (well, the very last sentence), you have some qualms about the length of the game. There's more to do after the missions, you know. There's the endless replayability of Tournament play, Guild warfare, completing every last bonus objective, exploration, roleplaying... there's hundreds, if not thousands of hours worth of entertainment to be had. There's just not the endless grinding for gold and (hopefully, come the next patch) skills; which if you ask me isn't actual gameplay time. It's a really bad habit of MMO developers, one of the biggest gameplay copouts I've seen in my oh so many years.

natas · Jun 15, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

noway to be competitive in the examples you mentioned of tournament and guild wars without having proper armor and weapons which cost gold which is gained through farming because they leave us with no other way and all the missions you speak of only give you more exp which is really pointless when u already have over 4mil exp and more then enuff skill pts to get every skill in the game for both your classes, this is a forum post not an essay or a thesis, is replayability even a word?

hydrak · Jun 15, 2005, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Akshara

Or try to do more than one quest at the same time in the same region, where you naturally encounter the same monsters over and over again in a short period of time. I often go on "quest runs" and then head back afterwards and turn them all in at the same time. This approach doesn't work well anymore, because the drops will stop well before completing the quests.
There are many "non-farmers" who have posted as well, across multiple threads and forums, who report encountering the problem through "normal" gameplay.

This game is meant for playing with a party. To me, solo quest runs and restarts after each death are just another form of farming. I always play with a party and have never had a problem with drops in long quest runs.

Only people who are farming or have a farming mentality are crying about the patch changes. Prior to the patch, these are the same people who possess several hundred platinums to screw up the game economy for others who are not farming. They are crying after the patch because they don't have the same kind of cash flow to screw up the economy with anymore.

And for those who use bots, besides the bannings, this is a perfect way to stop them. I wouldn't be surprised if all the people who cry about this patch are farmers and botters.

Han Swiftshot · Jun 15, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

This moarning i acidentaly left Lions Arch. I killed the monster closest to the portal and it droped a gold item! I was amazed! i went around lions arch telling people with cap lock on. I thought I would never see a rare item again...

BaleFire · Jun 15, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

one of the major problems in this game is the trade system wich really suck.
you may fill ure inventory with nice items and not get rid of them, kinda stupid really when some ppl actualy needs them and u need money.

i think they should set 1 or 2 auctioneers in each capital so you can get rid of stuff,
and ppl can come look without wasting ure time.

seems to work verry vell in other games so why not?

one thing the creators should have credit for is the bag system wich limts ure
inventory to a small amount of items, its good becouse ppl have to get rid of stuff
and it dont pile up.

Dazzler · Jun 15, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by hydrak

This game is meant for playing with a party. To me, solo quest runs and restarts after each death are just another form of farming. I always play with a party and have never had a problem with drops in long quest runs.

Only people who are farming or have a farming mentality are crying about the patch changes. Prior to the patch, these are the same people who possess several hundred platinums to screw up the game economy for others who are not farming. They are crying after the patch because they don't have the same kind of cash flow to screw up the economy with anymore.

And for those who use bots, besides the bannings, this is a perfect way to stop them. I wouldn't be surprised if all the people who cry about this patch are farmers and botters.

Well aren't we full of ourselves? I don't recall seeing any ANet people say this game must be played with a party. And I don't recall them saying people who go out questing with henchmen instead of people are farming. And how would restarting after a death be considered farming? One of the big selling points of this game is that death is inconsequential. They have res shrines for a reason--just so you can continue on the quest after you die. Given that one quest specifically tells you to group with henchman, and given the fact that henchmen are always available, a right-minded person would conclude that ANet recognizes not everyone wants to adventure with a bunch of people that have no interest in your playstyle. Many people adventure with henchies only because they are dependable and do not go aggro everything in sight and if you need to go get a cup of coffee or spend some time rooting through your backpack, they will patiently wait for your return.

Many of the people crying about the patch are people that are just as poor as your character is, and now are even poorer as they cannot even collect the items necessary for the Collectors without being hit by the anti-bot/farm code.

osfoxtrot · Jun 15, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by hydrak

Only people who are farming or have a farming mentality are crying about the patch changes. Prior to the patch, these are the same people who possess several hundred platinums to screw up the game economy for others who are not farming. They are crying after the patch because they don't have the same kind of cash flow to screw up the economy with anymore.

And for those who use bots, besides the bannings, this is a perfect way to stop them. I wouldn't be surprised if all the people who cry about this patch are farmers and botters.

U sir are a moron.

The "botters" that you are so worried about (1/100) just go and repeat open chests now, there is no income loss for them; if you read something on a website that doesnt mean its true - Anet says this is stopping all botters well thats going to help me get rich!

The "economy" is screwed up because:
A: everyone wants the same specific rares and they drop at the same rate as other rares (Aka superior vigor) and for many money is no object, they get it despite what it costs.
B: There is no real trading system, so anything cheap/midrange that normally balances out the economy people sell to npcs, making it so the only stuff you can buy off of other people is high end stuff, creating a larger demand for it.

The real people, that have beat the game and do more the whack off to avatars in pvp constantly, actually liked getting collectors items, doing side quests, getting elite armor, going to the underworld; and going into explorable areas, *ALL OF WHICH WERE ADVERTISED AS BEING PART OF THE GAME*

If you play the misisons, then play them again for the bonuses, then play them again just because you need some drops - you need to grow a life.

Making it so that people can ONLY get drops by having a human party of a specific size and going on missions LONG AFTER THE GAME HAS BEEN RELEASED - esp since they advertised the above mentioned items - is a real unethical business practice; I know i would not have purchased the game. Ive permanently blacklisted the company as I not only play it, I sell it as well; and have a policy of avoiding any items/manufacters that will cause ME a loss due to customer service calls returns and complaints, all due to the fact that a manf. doesnt want to staff a real customer service department.

Its obvious you cant see more then one side of an issue.

codemonkey · Jun 15, 2005, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Punctuation, spelling and grammar are all essential parts of the writing experience. That said, from what little I could understand (well, the very last sentence), you have some qualms about the length of the game. There's more to do after the missions, you know. There's the endless replayability of Tournament play, Guild warfare, completing every last bonus objective, exploration, roleplaying... there's hundreds, if not thousands of hours worth of entertainment to be had. There's just not the endless grinding for gold and (hopefully, come the next patch) skills; which if you ask me isn't actual gameplay time. It's a really bad habit of MMO developers, one of the biggest gameplay copouts I've seen in my oh so many years.

Well I must agree there, that was the longest run-on scentense I've seen...ever....that's about all I got out of it

CodeMonkey

codemonkey · Jun 15, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by hydrak

I wouldn't be surprised if all the people who cry about this patch are farmers and botters.

Ok, now if one recalls I've asked many times to cite examples of the bugs and issues, and people have been pretty forthcoming with them. I've also been skeptical of the issues...however that last quote of yours has to make the top "I'm ignorant" list. That's just asking to be flammed...but I won't. I'll leave that up to the rest of the mass populas of forum posters. :-)

CodeMonkey

Akshara · Jun 15, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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This game is meant for playing with a party. To me, solo quest runs and restarts after each death are just another form of farming.

In the manual on pg. 106 under the Henchmen section it says...

"Want to play a difficult mission by yourself? Hire several henchmen."

This game is designed for both playing with others and playing by oneself. I always do missions with real people, but sometimes it's hard to find players that need to do the same quests that I do since I'm often on very late, or I've had a few rough party experiences and decide to take a break from dealing with social dynamics, and head out to do a few small quests by myself with a henchmen party instead. Totally reasonable approach, and even encouraged by Anet... that's why the last updates have addressed issues regarding henchmen.

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Prior to the patch, these are the same people who possess several hundred platinums to screw up the game economy for others who are not farming.

The most gold I've ever had in my possesion at one time was 7 plat, which lasted for about thirty minutes. I'm lucky to have over 2 plat in my inventory at any given moment.

Bottom line is... you have no idea what you're talking about.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 15, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Akshara

In the manual on pg. 106 under the Henchmen section it says...

"Want to play a difficult mission by yourself? Hire several henchmen."

This game is designed for both playing with others and playing by oneself. I always do missions with real people, but sometimes it's hard to find players that need to do the same quests that I do since I'm often on very late, or I've had a few rough party experiences and decide to take a break from dealing with social dynamics, and head out to do a few small quests by myself with a henchmen party instead. Totally reasonable approach, and even encouraged by Anet... that's why the last updates have addressed issues regarding henchmen.

The most gold I've ever had in my possesion at one time was 7 plat, which lasted for about thirty minutes. I'm lucky to have over 2 plat in my inventory at any given moment.

Bottom line is... you have no idea what you're talking about.

Just because that's the most gold you've had, doesnt automaticly mean he doesnt know what he's talking about... lots of people have maxed out gold on several characters... i dont remember what the max is for the bank of a character... but per character, holding max is 100k, and Thousands of people are floating around with money like that to just throw at anything...

Just for the record, as a casual gamer... the max i've had was 21k, spent it on gambling (Back in the day, when that was legal)... that was from my 12k tho... i was winning, then lost it all in one bet... anyhow... i got another 18k reasonably soon, after finding an item that sold for alot a few times (black dye) + other items that i sold to the merchant... then i got my superior earth rune... anyhow... enough of my little story...

hydrak · Jun 15, 2005, 05:24 AM // 05:24

You should stop telling lies and things that make absolutely no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by osfoxtrot

U sir are a moron.

The "botters" that you are so worried about (1/100) just go and repeat open chests now, there is no income loss for them; if you read something on a website that doesnt mean its true - Anet says this is stopping all botters well thats going to help me get rich!

Can you tell us where are the quick and easy chests that botters open?

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Originally Posted by osfoxtrot

The "economy" is screwed up because:
A: everyone wants the same specific rares and they drop at the same rate as other rares (Aka superior vigor) and for many money is no object, they get it despite what it costs.

Hmm...I wonder why "money is no object" to the "many" you mentioned here. Perhaps they are botters and farmers?

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Originally Posted by osfoxtrot

If you play the misisons, then play them again for the bonuses, then play them again just because you need some drops - you need to grow a life.

I only play one char, and I doubt that I'll finish exploring all the places any time soon. By the way, unlike most of the cry babies here, I don't rush through missions so that I can start botting or farming.

osfoxtrot · Jun 15, 2005, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by hydrak

You should stop telling lies and things that make absolutely no sense at all.

I only play one char, and I doubt that I'll finish exploring all the places any time soon. By the way, unlike most of the cry babies here, I don't rush through missions so that I can start botting or farming.

Enough said, you havnt even finished the game, havnt even ascended i bet, havnt even made another character and you think that you have all the answers to a portion of the game *you havent even seen*

After 30 hours, my drops finally came back. After about 8 uw trips (that i paid for, at a cost of 8k since i like being a nice guy)
I came back with

1 glob of ectoplasm
1 smiting staff
1 holy rod
1 vial of yellow die
5-6 demonic remains

and there are people on this specific forum that went with me and not only can varify but did just as well themselves.

Oh and hydrak, just venture outside a couple portals. Its good for you.

Hold alt, and on quite a few you can see chests and barrels within walking distance. Do I really need to explain how a macro works or did you graduate 3rd grade? If you have never flown an airplane you better not tell a pilot how to fly. If you have never gone to a collector/uw/fissure/dreadnaughts drift/anywhere outside a portal -

Dont tell me how to play.

Akshara · Jun 15, 2005, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Just because that's the most gold you've had, doesnt automaticly mean he doesnt know what he's talking about...

I was referring specifcally to this quote...

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Only people who are farming or have a farming mentality are crying about the patch changes. Prior to the patch, these are the same people who possess several hundred platinums to screw up the game economy for others who are not farming.

There are many participating in these various threads that don't fit under that category. I dont' know how many times now I've had to explain that I'm not a farmer and simply playing the game normally, and have experienced the "all drops stop" issue on more than one occasion, as have several others during the course of "normal" gameply. But nobody's listening anyway, and the new update tommorrow night will hopfully resolve some of this...

codemonkey · Jun 15, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

Just because that's the most gold you've had, doesnt automaticly mean he doesnt know what he's talking about... lots of people have maxed out gold on several characters... i dont remember what the max is for the bank of a character... but per character, holding max is 100k, and Thousands of people are floating around with money like that to just throw at anything...

Just for the record, as a casual gamer... the max i've had was 21k, spent it on gambling (Back in the day, when that was legal)... that was from my 12k tho... i was winning, then lost it all in one bet... anyhow... i got another 18k reasonably soon, after finding an item that sold for alot a few times (black dye) + other items that i sold to the merchant... then i got my superior earth rune... anyhow... enough of my little story...

FYI: By the time I was 15th level I had 20K in my character. Now I've got one character with 36K, one character with 9K, and 4K in the bank. I blame this mainly on rune trading and "buy low sell high" -- not strictly from adventuring. Its easier to "farm" in the city (dist1) and buy up everything you can find for easy money and work to sell it off for more (aka being a merchant).

CodeMonkey

codemonkey · Jun 15, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Note to all: I killed a BOSS in the Frost Gate last night and it dropped a blue item. Yeah, that's right, the boss dropped something other then gold. Blue item was dwarven armor which turned out to be a minor water magic rune*.

*: Water magic runes are impossible to sell to people (no water elementalists in the world!?) but at least I had the gradification of proving bosses can indeed drop stuff ;-)

Del12 · Jun 15, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

This game does need a better trading system. How bout something like a separate storage area for items you would like to sell. You put it in there, list your selling price, and thats it. Other people can sort through everyones stuff, find the best price for something, and purchase. People can buy your stuff even when your not online. This seems better than standing in Lions Arch spamming a WTS message (among the other hundred WTS messages) only to sell one item for a few hundred gold after 20 minutes. Either that or actually have the traders give you a reasonable price for really good weapons/items or rare materials.